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Details regarding the FV430 family upgrades were not provided in the release, but the FV430 family looks a lot like the US M113s and date from the same era; as such, they may benefit from US and Israeli experience in upgrading their protection. The US approach of slat armor and proper gun shields (see picture) is worth noting, and the FV432 armored personnel carrier variant has already been successfully fitted with GD-RAFAEL's reactive armor
זכור לי היטב מיקרה מיגון "קלסיקל" לנגמש M113 (פיתוח ויצור - רפאל) שהוצא משימוש בצה"ל כיוון שגרם לנגמ"ש נזק בילתי הפיך עם פגיעת רש"ק PG7 או כל פיצוץ אחר קרוב לנגמ"ש - הדופן קרסה פנימה!!!
דופן הברדלי שונה מהותית מדופן הנגמ"ש הבריטי, השונה מהותית מדופן נגמ"ש M113 .
לא בכדי האמריקאים שמכירים היטב את מיגון GD-RAFAEL לברדלי לא התקינו את המיגון הזה ע"ג נגמ"ש M113 והעדיפו מיגון סולמות SLAT ,למרות שבכתבה ניכתב שהוא "שווה לכלום"- עדיף פיתרון הניראה בתמונה ( מיגון סטטיסטי ) מפיתרון מיגון ראקטיבי של הברדלי - קריסת דופן!!! (דעתי האישית)
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I think that they chose the slat armor above because their primary concern in Irag is against short range RPGs rather than attacks from larger ATGMs like Sagger, which would probably easily penetrate the slat screen .
BTW, you might like the following photo that shows what I think is some sort of reactive armor installed on an American M113 in Iraq. Perhaps this was a local initiative using extra Bradley armor kits? Note that the gun shield around the commander is from the Vietnam ACAV era!
It was posted on Thu 17 Mar 2005 in this
thread in Tanknet by
Manic Moran, an American army reserve tank officer that had just returned after a deployment of several months in Mosul, Iraq (think about that: several months of reserve duty- not 30 days!). The thread contains contains several other interesting photos of m113s, Strykers and other armored vehicles.
Here's us just coming back in from a patrol. Note the added composite armour we got the week before we left!
We did indeed have the add-on armour on the M113s, and I'm sure the guys inside were glad to have it. However, outside of using it as a troop carrier (which we were using it for), I'm not sure the benefits outweighed the disadvantages.
Oh, you needed one less person to crew the M113. Gave us one more dismount.
It also contained this newspaper article which might explain the m113 with the slat armor pictured on top:
Army Adding Armor In Iraq
Biloxi Sun Herald
January 4, 2005
The Army, beset with complaints that its troops are going into combat in inadequately armored Humvees, will send an older and less used class of armored personnel carriers to Iraq after spending $84 million to add armor to them.
These vehicles, both veteran warhorses, are the M113/A3 armored personnel carrier and the M577 command post carrier. Both will be tougher and safer than newly armored Humvees.
Army officials who pushed hard over the last two years for getting the M113 into duty in Iraq said it was more useful, cheaper and easier to transport than the Army's new wheeled Stryker armored vehicle, which also is in use in Iraq.
The Army and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld found themselves at the center of a firestorm last month over the pace of adding armor to the Humvee, a small transport vehicle that's been pressed into service in Iraq as a combat vehicle. Critics have charged that even with armor the Humvee is too easily destroyed by rocket-propelled grenades and improvised explosive devices.
An Army representative, who didn't want to be identified, said Monday that $84 million was being spent to add armor to 734 M113/A3s and M577s.
For the M113s, that includes hardened steel side armor, a slat armor cage that bolts to the side armor and protects against RPGs, anti-mine armor on the bottom and a new transparent, bulletproof gun shield on the top that vastly improves gunners' vision.
The M577, nicknamed the "high-top shoe" for its tall, ungainly silhouette, will get only slat armor and anti-mine armor. Its high sides can't take the steel armor without making the vehicle unstable and even more liable to roll over.
The slat-type armor essentially is a metal cage designed to detonate RPGs before they breach the steel armor and the light aluminum wall. Similar slat armor has been added to the Stryker vehicle.
The armor kits will be produced in the United States, the Army representative said, and installed in Kuwait.
The representative said the M113 upgrade was requested by Lt. Gen. Thomas Metz, the ground commander in Iraq, and approved by Gen. George Casey, the commander of multinational forces in Iraq.
The M113 typically carries a driver, a commander and 11 infantry soldiers. It can be fitted with a .50-caliber machine gun or an MK19 40 mm grenade launcher. The M113/A3 version, introduced in 1987, has a bigger turbocharged diesel engine, an improved transmission, steering and braking package, and inside liners to suppress spall, the superheated molten metal produced by RPG and tank-round hits. It has a range of 300 miles and a road speed of more than 40 mph. It also can swim.
More than 80,000 M113s in 28 configurations have been manufactured since they were introduced in 1960, and they still do yeoman duty in many of the world's armies.
At around 13 tons, the M113 is much easier to transport than the behemoth M1A2 Abrams tank, the Bradley Fighting Vehicle or even the wheeled Stryker.
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