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ישן 17-11-2004, 16:56
  JAVEHN JAVEHN אינו מחובר  
 
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האקדח יצא מפיתוח . קראתי הרבה ביקורות לא ממש נחמדות על האקדח . הנה משהו מהסליק :

http://www.haslik.co.il/forum/viewt...%E1%F8%F7#29956

הנה משהו ממגזין נשק אמריקאי :

ציטוט:
Magnum Research IMI SP-21 Available in 9mm, .40 and .45

by Phil W. Johnston
Handgun Editor

Early this year, Magnum Research announced that they were going to begin importing another semi-auto pistol. Famous for the Desert Eagle, among others, the addition of a new, modern fighting pistol came as no big surprise. Built in Israel, as is the Desert Eagle line, the new SP-21 looked interesting right off the bat.

It doesn't seem possible that, new, fresh firearms can still be based on a vintage John Browning design, but that's the case here. I guess this proves that you don't mess with something that works.

The SP-21 is based on the later High Power (HP) design that replaced the rotating link with an integral ramp that cams the breech down when the barrel/slide recoil. Once the breech has unlocked from the slide, the slide continues rearward to extract and eject the empty and pick up a fresh round from the 10-round magazine.

If there's a glitch in this design it hinges on the necessary clearances that must be maintained to keep everything working, regardless of the surroundings. While the sights are attached to the slide, the barrel isn't. If clearances are larger, the barrel doesn't always point in the same direction as the sights. More on this, later.

Military Theme
This pistol was designed with a military theme in mind, right off the bat. Aimed initially at the Israel Defense Force, this pistol is a working arm to be sure. In that light, the new SP-21 is a double-action/single-action design that typically is used to fire the first round that is up the pipe, double-action, with subsequent rounds going down range in single-action fashion.

Designed and built by Israel Military Industries (IMI), this new semi-auto sports a good looking polymer receiver while the barrel and slide are carbon steel. The slide is obviously a casting, while the manufacturing processes that result in a barrel are up for grabs. IMI's polymer receiver is one of the nicest that I've wrapped my fingers around in quite some time. The grip is a good size and it features three finger grooves up front, while a sticky stippled backstrap greets the shooting hand.

In keeping with the bullet-proof design criteria, the receiver features steel inserts that serve to guide and contain the slide. The receiver also has an integral Weaver-style rail at the muzzle where flashlights or laser sights could be attached, for instance.

Operationally, there are three controls on the SP-21. The safety is ambidextrous and it blocks trigger and hammer action when swung upward. It's located where the thumb can easily reach it in an instant and it is easy to use.

The magazine release is directly behind the bottom of the trigger guard and depressing it nicely ejects the 10-round steel magazine. The magazines sport a polymer base that looks like it should take lots of abuse and keep on ticking, but I didn't drop one of 'em on concrete to find out, either. The magazine release is on the left side of the receiver and must be pushed to the right to eject the magazine.

Typical of most similar offerings, IMI equipped the SP-21 with a decocking lever but the location is novel to say the least. Nearly perfectly concealed in the top of the slide, it takes thought and distinct action to operate it. I suspect that's exactly what IMI wanted, too. It would be a bit disconcerting to have the enemy decock your pistol while you're fighting, after all.

The SP-21 is available in 9mm, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP. I had one of each here to mess with this year, and they all came out winners. Out-of-the-box, the trigger doesn't seem bad, although an extended range session does tend to take its toll, too. All three triggers measured roughly 3 pounds 14 ounces or so, on the digital Lyman trigger gauge, single-action.

Double-action (DA) they're all OK, but they exceed the limit of the Lyman tool. I'd call them somewhere between 12 and 15 pounds, DA. They're pretty smooth with little discernable stacking throughout the DA pull.

Trigger Lock
Also becoming standard fare these days, the SP-21 features a rotating trigger lock on the bottom of the receiver, next to the trigger. The lock is easily rotated half a turn with the included key, to lock or unlock trigger action. I get it alright, but I still think education is the real key here. Still, with a new granddaughter on the scene and another in the factory, maybe these locks aren't a bad idea. It's your decision, I guess.

As you'd expect, the sights are semi-fixed. The front sight could be drifted a bit in the dovetail to correct windage, but elevation is as it comes out-of-the-box. The manual says that there's an optional adjustable sight package that will soon be available but I haven't seen it yet. The manual also says "that moving the rear sight to the left will move the point-of-impact to the right and vice versa. . . ." This I've got to see!

Unless something has changed, you always move the rear sight in the direction you want to move impact-left to go left, etc. Oops! Of course the mandatory three dots are there, as well. Out-of-the-boxes, the 9mm was about 8 inches high and 3 left at 25 yards. The .40 was fine for elevation but went about 4 inches left and the .45 went 2 inches low and 3 inches right. At the proverbial 7-10 yards, all three would get a purp's attention, pronto!

Takedown is pretty much the way Browning designed it. Make sure it's unloaded and drop the magazine. Then you manually cock the hammer and move the slide about an eighth of an inch to the rear (to the mark) and then drive the slide stop pin and lever to the left and out. Then simply slide the barrel/slide group off the receiver toward the muzzle. The dual recoil springs have their own guide rods and they're captive springs. Kind of nice not to have to worry about launching springs and such into the ceiling.

Polygonal Rifling
That's about as far as you'll have to go to clean it up. When you've got it stripped, you'll quickly notice that IMI doesn't rely on normal rifling in the 3.9-inch barrel, either. Typical of some of our classiest semi-autos these days, these barrels feature polygonal rifling that make 1-turn-in-10 inches in the case of the 9mm, while the .40 and .45 barrels get things spinning in 1-turn-in-16 inches.

Each pistol is supplied with a pair of magazines and they're attractively packaged in a black plastic box along with the instruction manual, trigger lock key, a pair of cleaning brushes and, of course, a fired case.

On the range I ran the pistols off of a big Dog-Gone-Good™ sandbag and my vintage BR Pivot shooting bench. All shooting was done at 25 yards. When the dust settled, I felt that the three SP-21s gave a good account of themselves. I didn't expect target accuracy and in that light wasn't disappointed or surprised, either.

Over the course of two days I accounted for a bunch of 5-shot groups with these three rigs, using a wide variety of ammunition from the major ammunition companies. The 9mm averaged 4.3 inches center-to-center with the best load accounting for a 2.28-inch average (Cor-Bon 125-grain +P JHPS). This load left the 3.9-inch tube doing 1,229 feet-per-second (fps), generating 419.1 foot-pounds of instrumental energy (fpe).

The .40 averaged 4.8 inches with another Cor-Bon load taking the honors at 3.24 inches. In this case it consisted of a 150-grain +P JHP that left at 1,199 fps, generating 478.7 fpe. The .45 also liked Cor-Bon ammunition with 25 of their 200-grain +P JHPs accounting for a 3.9-inch average. The .45 averaged 5.4 inches, center-to-center with the five tested loads. The 200-grain Cor-Bon JHP left the muzzle doing 1,061 fps, generating 500 fpe.

The IMI/Magnum Research SP-21 is a no-nonsense pistol designed for combat troops. That Magnum Research has decided to bring it here makes the US a winner, too.


האקדח מלכתחילה תוכנן לייצוא ולא לשימוש קהיליית הביטחון , אז בדיוק משרד הביטחון באותה תקופה אימץ את הגלוק .


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נערך לאחרונה ע"י JAVEHN בתאריך 17-11-2004 בשעה 17:00.
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ישן 17-11-2004, 17:22
  JAVEHN JAVEHN אינו מחובר  
 
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בתגובה להודעה מספר 3 שנכתבה על ידי מר בחור שמתחילה ב "דווקה לפי כל החומר בסליק..."

אני לא דיברתי על החומר בסליק .
תקרא את החומר באנגלית לקבלת חוות דעת יותר מדויקת , למרות שיש לו כמה שגיאות . הנה עוד כתבה , מירחון GUNS MAGAZINE :

ציטוט:

IMI's intriguing SP-21 - Out of the Box
Guns Magazine, August, 2003 by Dick Williams

I'm usually a bit skeptical about any new plastic 9mm, but the SP-21 from Israeli Military Industries is a distinctive looking pistol with several features, both functional and esthetic, that caught my eye. As stated, this is a polymer-framed semiautomatic pistol with a short recoil system that fires both double and single action. Available from Magnum Research in 9mm, .40 S&W and .45 ACP, the test gun is chambered in 9mm.

Some of the pistol's standard features include an ambidextrous, frame-mounted safety, frame mounted slide release lever, thumb-operated magazine release that can be assembled for either right or left hand operation, and an integral rail on the frame for mounting flashlights or laser sights. The pistol comes with two 10round magazines and an excellent instruction manual.

The grip frame has finger groves, and the front of the trigger guard is flat with horizontal serrations to facilitate a two-handed combat grip. The- top of the gun is extremely interesting in that the slide is round from the muzzle back past the ejection port. A dovetailed front sight is mounted at the muzzle edge of the slide.

Interesting Profile

Over the aft part of the slide, starting just behind the breech face and the front end of the extractor is a round, one-piece polymer cocking grip containing integral, fixed rear sight with the serrated sides flattened to facilitate operating the slide. On the right side of the sighting channel and mounted flush with the flattened top of the cocking grip is the decocker. Simply push down with the off hand thumb to drop the hammer while maintaining your grip with the shooting hand.

Shooting sessions revealed some positives and negatives. On the plus side, the gun had no malfunctions of any kind from the first shot on. There was no break in period; in fact, the gun was not even cleaned before the first shot -- simply wiped off. Ammo included 115-grain JHPs and FMJs from Ultramax and some long nosed FMJ Blazers with aluminum cases. Accuracy at 30 feet was great. Shooting semi-rapid fire and mixing different ammo, it was not difficult to keep all shots inside three inches. But my semi-rapid fire is probably slower than your semi-rapid fire.

There were three negatives. First the slide release lever requires extremely heavy pressure to disengage. It was much easier to pull the slide back and release it to chamber the first round. Second, the magazine design is a bit fragile. An accidental dropping of one magazine on the concrete floor of the indoor firing range sheared off a piece of plastic leaving the magazine in pieces, nonrepairable and unusable.

Finally, early in the shooting session when firing the first shot single action, I sometimes caught enough trigger finger flesh between trigger and frame to prevent the gun from firing. This did not happen when firing the gun double action, or when transitioning from double to single action firing, which would be the normal operation of this type weapon. Also, another shooter never experienced this difficulty; it is clearly a function of an individual's grip on the pistol.

With practice (which is always mandatory,) I could confront evil carrying the SP-21, Or, for that matter, I could simply have a lot of fun perforating paper targets.



בעיקרון , באקדח הזה אין פונקציה מיוחדת שלא קיימת באקדחים יותר ישנים . כמו כן , אפשר לדוג תכונות לא ממש חיוביות מהכתבות , כמו העובדה שהכוונות מחוברות לצינה והקנה צף , מה שמזיק לדיוק . הקנה יושב גבוה בצינה מה שמביא רטייה יחסית גדולה ומגדיל זמן בין כדור לכדור , ובכללותו האקדח לא מציג משהו חדש שלא קיים באקדחים יותר ישנים שהוכחו כבר אם הזמן .

ובכללותו , זה עניין אישי . יש אחד שיאהב את האקדח , ושני לא ימצא אותו נוח . אני לדוגמא לא סובל אקדחים בעלי צינה נמוכה , אני אוהב "שיהיה במה לתפוס" , כשאנשים אחרים מעדיפים הפוך . אני לא אוהב ידית שיושבת בדיוק 90 מעלות לנשק כי זה לא נוח בשבילי , ולאחרים זה הפוך . הנקודה , כל עוד חוקי אחזקת הנשק בארץ הם מהתחת , כל מה שנשאר לנו זה לקרוא ביקורות מחוץ לארץ שהם סובייקטיביות לאותו כותב (למרות שיכול להיות שהוא ירה כמות נכבדת של כדורים בכלי) .

נערך לאחרונה ע"י JAVEHN בתאריך 17-11-2004 בשעה 17:29.
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אבל ההבדל בין המצב הקיים בארץ ובין מה שקיים בארה"ב הוא ענק . אתה מדבר על ללכת למטווח , לשלם הון עתק על השכרת נשק וקניית כדורים למטווח(אתה יכול לבוא עם הנשק שלך , או להיות מנוי , כמו שאני עשיתי ואז אתה משלם רק על הכדורים , ועדיין זה המון כסף) , ומה שאתה יכול לירות בו זה לא מעבר לאקדח או רובה פנאומטי (רובה אוויר) . בעיקרון , מי שצריך , יורה , מי שלא צריך , לא יורה .

מצד שני אתה מדבר על קניית יותר מנשק אישי אחד (ומשהו מעבר לאקדח) בגרושים , קניית כמעט על סוגי תחמושת (בגרושים) , אתה יכול לבנות מטווח בחצר האחורית שלך , וקיימת תרבות שלמה של נשק בארה"ב .

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