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  #87  
24-07-2007, 09:32
   zragon13
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I understand your concerns, however the artillery unit tags photographed in this discussion are from a public display. There is no reference in it whether a unit is active, its organization, or the unit number. You have to assume that if it was approved for public display, any of our neighbors proffessionally-interested already knows about it.
Same goes for the 847 emblem which I saw displayed, along with all the flags of all other armor units openly displayed in another public museum. Though the unit number 847 wasn't mentioned there, I allowed myself to write it here because the name and number of that unit was well published in the media during last summer's war .
Even here:
I have a feeling that the open information useful to the enemy is already available to the enemy from regular published information like newspapers, books (I discovered the symbol of Uri Or's unit from his recent book) and various official IDF photos and reports. Much more is available internationally. And don't forget that reportedly Bashir is fond of surfing on the Internet.
a ab
In the end, I think that the only ones that we are keeping the emblems/names of our units secret from is from ourselves .
Even the IAF doesn't erase the squadron symbols from the airplane photos anymore
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" zragon13 24-07-2007 09:39.
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20-11-2007, 23:18
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194 Paco "[QUOTE=strong11] 2. ,..."

Maybe this will help (from http://lebanon82.tripod.com/idf.htm:



Orders of Battle




Corps Command - Maj-Gen. Avigdor Ben-Gal




91st Udga - Brig-Gen. Yitzhak Mordechai
  • Attacked along the costal road towards Sidon
  • 375th Mechanized Brigade
  • 769th Mechanized Brigade
  • 211th Armoured Brigade (1 Battalion with Merkavas, 2 with M60 Magach 5)





96th Udga - Brig-Gen. Amos Yaron
  • Amphibious Landing north of Sidon.
  • Attacked Damour then Beirut.
  • 35th Paratrooper brigade
  • 211th Armored brigade (joined on June 7th from 91st)
  • 1 Armoured Brigade from the 844th equipped with M60 Magach 5s





36th Udga - Brig-Gen. Avigdor Kahalani
  • Attacked from Metulla to Nabatiyeh.
  • Joined 91st at Sidon
  • 188th Barak Armored brigade (53rd, 71st, 74th Battalions with Centurion Sho’t)
  • 1st Golani Mechanized brigade with 77th Tank Battalion equipped with Merkavas
  • 769th Mechanized brigade





162nd Udga - Brig-Gen. Menachem Einan
  • Attacked through Ein Zehalta
  • Reached the Beirut-Demascus Highway at Ein Dara
  • 500th Armoured Brigade (195th, 430th, 433rd Battalions with M60 Magach 5)
  • 514th Armoured Brigade with 2 battalions of Centurion Sho’t
  • 903rd Mechanized Battalion
  • 1 Unknown Mechanized Battalion





252th Udga - Brig-Gen. Immanuel Sakel
  • Attacked from Metulla into Fatahland
  • Moved through Kafr Qouq, Yanta and Wadi Shebaa to Rashaiya
  • 7th Armored Brigade (75th, 82nd Battalions with Merkavas)
  • 401st Armoured Brigade (46th, 52nd Battalions with M60 Magach 5)
  • 473rd Mechanized Brigade
  • 424th and 269th Mechanized Battalions





90th Udga - Brig-Gen. Giora Lev
  • Attacked from Metulla
  • Moved through Marj Ayoun towards Karoun and Jubb Jennin
  • 734th Armoured Brigade (360th, 362nd, 363rd battalions equipped with M48 Magach 3)
  • 943rd Armoured Brigade (346th, 572nd, 573rd battalions equipped with M48 Magach 3)
  • 14th Armoured Brigade (79th, 184nd battalions equipped with M60 Magach 3)
  • 525th Mechanized Brigade





880th Udga - Brig-Gen. Yom-Tov Tamir
  • Reserve for the Bekka Sector
  • 645th Armoured Brigade (134th, 142nd, ???th battalions equipped with M60 Magach 5)
  • 767th Armoured Brigade (708th, 711th, 719th battalions equipped with M60 Magach 5)
  • 656th Armoured Brigade (452nd, 453rd, ???th battalions equipped with M60 Magach 3)
  • 1 Mechanized Brigade





Task Force Vardi - Brig.Gen. Danni Vardi
  • Attacked north to take Jezzine
  • Advanced along the west of Lake Qaraoun
  • 460th Armoured Brigade from the 252nd (198th battalion equipped with Merkavas, 532nd battalion with M60 Magach 5s, 196th battalion with Sho’t)
  • 514th Armoured Brigade equipped with 2 battalions of Centurion Sho’t





Task Force Peled - Brig. Gen. Yossi Peled
  • Advanced along the Jebel Liban Ridge
  • Hunted Down Syrian Tanks
  • 409th Anti-Tank Brigade
  • 551st Anti-Tank Brigade
Note: Udga = Division
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" zragon13 20-11-2007 23:24.
  #263  
04-04-2008, 23:15
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Hi cre666,

I went and rechecked my records, and there seems to be some conflicting information about which units were derived from the 1948 Etzioni brigade and whether the origin of Hativa14 is from 4-Kiryati or 6-Etzioni


Indeed the Hativa14 web page that you linked to says that it originated from Etzioni...


But the book about Ugdat Hamapatz says (look at the scanned red page in one of b.a.'s posts above):


1959 " (58 -83) ' , (52) " 7.



Also the info in the defunct Ugda Yehuda website says this about the 310Jerusalem brigade's origins:

310 ". -1948. " " " ".

I think that the Jerusalem brigade was established almost immediately after the 1948 war. It was mentioned in several places that Arik Sharon, as a student after the war, served in the Jerusalem brigade as a reserve officer at the time he was recruited to create Unit 101. 1953?

If you look at the sadak tables by Siman Tov Sagi, you see that the Jerusalem brigade already appears during 1956. Furthermore, some of the numbers of its 61, 62, 68 battalions show a clear relationship to Etzioni's battalions.

The number 14 also seems to relate more to Hativa 4 than 6


Take a look at some of the info I gathered on these units in the following sadak table that incorporates Siman Tov's sadak with info from other open sources:


https://2008-uploaded.fresh.co.il/2...04/68435643.pdf
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