I apologize for my tenacity* in trying to get a response, but since only Betis related to my post, and I hope that it was due to it being missed in the middle of the thread. I will try again.
A*and in case you're not familiar with the term, I'll save you the trouble of looking it up: it's just another way of saying being stubborn...or a nag
But seriously, I am very eager to read what the participants in this thread think about these issues
QUOTE=zragon13]
The question of Boogie's exact role/responsibility/blame for the state of the IDF and its poor performance in the summer of 2006 is one that has been puzzling me for some time.
His argument can be summarized as:
the army was sufficiently prepared (in light of budgetary restraints of course); It was all a matter of mismanagement and had the correct orders come from the govt/high command, we would have succeeded.
On the one hand, Halutz, no matter what blame he bears for bad decisions during the war, took over from Boogie only a year beforehand, so all the IDF mentality and preparedness problems that have been so heavily discussed cannot be pinned on him.
Yet Boogie seems like a very straightforward and honest person. Definitely less of a "political" Ramatcal than any of his predecessors since Dan Shomron.
He served as a reserve paratrooper in the Yom Kippur war and personally experienced what happens to the soldiers when the politicians and IDF high command screw up and the army is unprepared. Thus, I cannot imagine that he would have willingly allowed such a situation to return under his command.
And don't forget his role in successfully lowering the level of Palestinian terrorism to unprecedented levels to the point that it seemed like we "won" Intifada2 after he took over from Mofaz (following operation Chomat Magen and the start of Derech Nechusha--the sequel mini-series)
I attended the conference where he spoke
"מלחמת הטילים" ערב עיון בנושא מלחמת לבנון השניה, בו יוצגו מסקנותיו של יצחק בן ישראל"
And I even got to ask him a few questions myself, but I have still not been able to make up my mind about the extent of Boogie's responsibility in the failure of 2006
I wrote about some of the highlights here (but nobody replied
http://www.fresh.co.il/vBulletin/sh...581#post2112978
בתגובה להודעה מספר 1שנכתבה עלידי טל ענבר שמתחילה ב ""מלחמת הטילים" ערב עיון בנושא מלחמת לבנון השניה, בו יוצגומסקנותיו של יצחק בן ישראל"
By the way,
In light of the simple and clear logical mistakes that the government made in it's decisions to launch the war and then how to run it that Prof Yitzchak Ben-Israel so well documented in his paper and repeated in the conference, I was very surprised – and disappointed---by Ben-Israel's (now MK from Kadima) current position following the publishing of the final Vinograd report:
בכל זאת אולמרט / יצחק בן ישראל
http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3500835,00.html
and please, spare me the instinctive sarcastic remarks about politicians, Knesset and corruption… I'm trying to kick the habit myself
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11-02-2008, 11:21
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